Spotify 3Q24 Earnings, Disney 4Q24 Earnings
Hello everyone. Today’s update will take us to streaming land as we circle back to earnings from Spotify and Disney. The two companies reported earnings within the past month.
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Spotify 2Q24 Earnings, Spotify vs. Apple Music
Happy Monday. This will be a busy week for earnings. We will begin preparing for Apple’s earnings release tomorrow. For today’s update, we focus on Spotify. It’s actually been nearly a year since we took a closer look at Spotify's financial performance. Let’s jump in.
Spotify 2Q24 Earnings
We will use a different method to quickly recap Spotify’s 2Q24 results. Here were year-over-year changes for several key line items that made up Spotify's 2Q24 income statement:
Revenue: +$630M (to $4.1B)
Cost of revenue: +$284M (to $2.9B) - for growth to come in less than revenue suggests better music licensing terms and improved monetization
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Sonos 4Q22 Earnings, Spotify Subscriber Trends (Daily Update)
We kick off today’s update by looking at the latest earnings release from Sonos. The discussion then turns to Spotify’s earnings with a focus on the company’s subscriber trends.
Hello everyone. Welcome to December. This month is going to fly by.
Two quick notes:
1) The Elon Musk saga took another twist yesterday. Tim Cook invited Musk to Apple Park. This was the first time Musk and Cook have talked with each other. According to Musk, "Tim was clear that Apple never considered [removing Twitter from the App Store]." Musk had just said the opposite - that Apple had "threatened to withhold Twitter from its App Store" without explanation – two days earlier. Musk’s initial tweet never sounded accurate to me. It’s not clear what Cook actually told Musk while walking around Apple Park yesterday. The following tweet that I wrote yesterday sums up the situation:
2) Looking back over the past two months of updates, we have gone over 10 earnings reports from various Apple competitors.
Warner Bros. Discovery (Nov 16)
Roku (Nov 10)
Peloton (11/10)
Disney (11/9)
Amazon (11/8)
Microsoft (11/8)
Meta (11/2)
Apple (10/28, 10/31, 11/1)
Alphabet (10/26)
Netflix (10/19)
Nike (10/3)
In today’s update, we will go over two earnings reports that have been on my list: Sonos and Spotify. Sonos was one of the last companies to report earnings. As for Spotify, it’s been six months since we took a closer look at the company’s subscriber trends.
Sonos 4Q22 Earnings
Sonos reported FY4Q22 earnings two weeks ago. Management had previously warned that things were going to look funky with demand slowing a bit over the summer and the company placing what ended up being poorly-timed bets on inventory.
4Q22 revenue was down 12% to $316M.
Gross margins dropped by 720 basis points (to 39.2%). Management claims the drop is temporary.
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Above Avalon Podcast Episode 173: Let's Talk App Store
As Apple pulls away from the competition, the App Store is considered the best (and last) chance for competitors to reshape the mobile industry to their liking. In episode 173, Neil examines how competitors are waging a guerrilla war against Apple and the App Store. The discussion then turns to Neil unveiling a new podcast called Above Avalon Daily.
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Above Avalon Podcast Episode 164: Competing with Spotify
We are entering a new chapter in music streaming. In episode 164, Neil discusses how Spotify’s attempt to evolve from a dedicated music streaming service to an audio company ends up reflecting broader changes in the music streaming space. Additional topics include Spotify earnings, the music streaming war between Spotify and Apple Music, the problem with Spotify’s current business, roadblocks / advantages facing Spotify as it evolves into a different kind of company, and why Apple shouldn’t ignore Spotify’s evolution.
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Spotify Is Evolving
Spotify sees the writing on the wall: It’s going to remain difficult to make a profit from streaming music. Despite years of remarkably strong user growth, the high variable costs found with music streaming continue to serve as a financial headwind. Spotify co-founder and CEO Daniel Ek isn’t standing still, however. Spotify is evolving, partly out of necessity, with the long-term goal of becoming the largest audio platform in the world. While the transition includes its fair share of challenges, Spotify has a few things going for it that should force competitors like Apple to take notice.
Spotify Earnings
Spotify's quarterly results have become predictable. Strong subscriber trends are offset by nonexistent profit and mediocre operating cash flow. Last week, Spotify reported 4Q19 earnings, and the results mostly fit the pattern. The company grew its subscriber total by 23 million in just three months (a very good number). Spotify’s cash flow showed a little bit of improvement although the numbers still don’t seem to reflect a company that grew its subscriber base by a whopping 65 million people in 2019.
As shown in Exhibit 1, the growth of Spotify’s ad-supported monthly active users (those on the free tier) and premium subscribers (those on the paid tier) is not showing any signs of slowing. Although ad-supported MAU growth had underperformed premium subscriber growth, that dynamic has reversed. This reflects that Spotify is seeing success in growing the streaming music pie by attracting new people into the fold. These new customers are more likely to enter through the ad-supported tier and then possibly migrate to the paid tier over time.
Exhibit 1: Spotify Subscriber Growth Trends
In taking a closer look at Spotify’s subscriber base, it becomes evident that the company continues to see much of its growth in geographies where Apple has little to no presence. This suggests that recent subscriber growth has resulted from Spotify becoming a preferred choice for Android users looking to free, ad-supported music.
The Music Streaming War Has Quieted Down
For years, the music streaming war between Spotify and Apple Music was fought over subscriber totals. The back-and-forth subscriber disclosures between Spotify and Apple Music were closely monitored. At first, consensus thought Spotify had received too large of a first mover advantage for Apple Music to find any traction. Once that theory was busted, attention turned to the pace of new subscriber growth.
In 2019, Spotify grew its premium subscriber total by a little more than 2.0 million per month while Apple’s paid subscriber growth figure for Apple Music was closer to 1.3 million per month. Given how Apple Music now has more than 60 million paying subscribers, we can confidently say that both Apple Music and Spotify have “won” in music streaming. Each company has enough scale to matter.
Spotify’s Problem
Even though Spotify continues to see strong subscriber growth, the additional scale hasn’t resulted in dramatically improved financials. The problem is found with the high variable costs associated with music streaming. For every dollar that Spotify brings in the door, only 25 cents is left to cover the costs of running the business after accounting for music rights and other cost of goods sold. For context, here are the most recent gross margins (on an annual basis) for the big five:
Facebook: 82%
Microsoft: 66%
Alphabet: 56%
Apple: 38%
Amazon: 20%* (estimated)
*Although Amazon may have a lower stated gross margin than Spotify, the numbers are misleading as the company is generating close to $40 billion of operating cash flow per year. The underlying business is kicking off cash although much of it has to be put back into the business to keep things running.
When considering the amount of R&D and marketing that is required to stay competitive with the giants, Spotify’s gross profit picture isn’t encouraging. As for attempts to improve its gross margins, Spotify has stressed items like charging content creators for various tools and trying to negotiate content cost savings. However, the elephant in the room is Apple Music. By having a successful alternative in the paid music streaming space, music rights holders are in a better position to retain their negotiation power when up against Spotify.
Music rights holders have been the big winners in the current music streaming landscape. Nearly 200M people are now paying somewhere between $5 and $10 per month for music between Spotify and Apple Music. Unfortunately, it has become harder than ever for music artists to find financial sustainability. Expectations regarding how music as an art form will be valued likely need to be reassessed.
An Evolution
In early 2019, Spotify began betting big on podcasts. Since the start of 2019, Spotify has spent more than $600 million buying Gimlet Media, Anchor, Parcast, and most recently, The Ringer. By getting into podcasts in a big way, Spotify is trying to evolve from a dedicated music streaming service dependent on music rights holders for achieving profitability to an audio company with a platform delivering audio entertainment to as many people as possible.
Spotify’s financial picture stands to improve if the company can better monetize its 280M subscribers. One of the primary goals in developing an audio platform consisting of podcasts is to generate higher gross margins by having subscribers spend time listening to something other than music. With a captive audience of hundreds of millions of people, Spotify is in an interesting position to be more of an advertising company. In the future, Spotify’s long-term strategy may include having third-party developers create new kinds of audio experiences.
The timing for such an evolution looks good for Spotify as we are in the midst of a headphones renaissance set within a wearables revolution. With the removal of wires, headphones are being transformed. We see Apple expand its wireless headphones portfolio to include various AirPods models and Beats headphones. According to my estimates, Apple is bringing in $9 billion of revenue per year from headphones. That is 25% higher than Spotify’s annual revenue. Apple’s $3 billion acquisition of Beats in 2014 is looking smarter by the day when thinking about the headphones piece of the acquisition. Beats headphones are now bringing in approximately $2 billion of revenue per year for Apple.
Roadblocks
Spotify faces an uphill battle while evolving into an audio company. The biggest obstacle is the lack of first-party hardware and other services like video streaming. The never-ending rumors that Spotify has been tinkering with hardware likely have merit. The company is at a severe disadvantage by not having first-party hardware solutions including stationary speakers, and more importantly, wearable devices.
Last year, Spotify declared war on Apple. Instead of fighting the battle in the marketplace over exclusive songs and albums, Daniel Ek wants to go after Apple in the courts and regulator backrooms with the goal of weakening Apple’s grip on the App Store and the broader Apple ecosystem. If successful in its pursuit, Spotify would find itself in a better position to leverage Apple’s ecosystem for its own ambitions versus the other way around, which is currently the case.
In the event of video and music bundling taking off, Spotify will find itself at another disadvantage as the company has limited financial resources that would allow it to get into video ($1.9 billion of cash, cash equivalents, and short-term investments). The company would need to continue relying on partnerships for bundling opportunities, which is far from ideal. Although Spotify has easy access to capital, the amount of cash flying around for original video content is daunting. This is another reason why Spotify hasn't been shy running into podcasting. While some of the valuations that Spotify has been willing to pay for podcast startups and talent may make people in the industry blush ($250M for The Ringer), on a relative basis to the video space, Spotify is able to make its cash go further with podcasts. Much of this is due to the podcast industry not being as developed a video from a monetization standpoint.
Advantages
Instead of cash or video, Spotify has something else going for it in its evolution: the ability to focus. Audio is commanding all of Spotify management’s attention as it represents everything for the company. Spotify is likely betting that the giants will continue to treat audio (not the same as voice) as a money-losing ancillary business.
Another way of thinking about this dynamic is that Apple’s $1.4 trillion market cap is 56x larger than Spotify’s $25 billion market cap. A doubling or tripling in Spotify’s market cap would be considered a huge validation in the company’s evolution strategy while Apple’s market cap fluctuates $25B to $50B on any given day.
Apple’s Perspective
In its current form, Spotify doesn’t pose much of a long-term threat to Apple. Spotify is a service that is consumed by a small percentage of Apple users mostly on Apple’s platform. However, Apple can’t and shouldn’t ignore Spotify’s evolution. One of the more effective ways for Apple to compete with Spotify over the long run is to figure out where the company is headed and get there first.
Success at building an audio platform with millions of engaged developers could give Spotify a beachhead in audio apps and make it an App Store alternative in a wearables world. In such an environment, audio stands to be a key ingredient capable of augmenting our surroundings.
It is in Apple’s best interest to recognize the threat that Spotify could pose and beat the company in establishing an audio platform. Apple can empower iOS developers to come up with new forms of content and workflows designed to be consumed on a range of wearables (along with mobile devices). Along with music and podcasts, there could be room for new mediums and experiences, many that can’t even be envisioned yet. In such a dynamic, Apple could then leverage its biggest advantage over Spotify: hardware and a broader platform with various services.
If consumers end up viewing an evolved Spotify as something consumed on Apple’s platform instead of looking at Spotify as a platform in of itself, Apple will have successfully countered Spotify’s evolution.
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